IRC Archive for channel #xwiki
Last modified by Vincent Massol on 2012/10/18 18:44
vmassol - (00:09): lucaa: thomasM would know more since he's coded this
vmassol - (00:09): I think it's by design but we haven't paid attention to the size and there are stuff that should not be included in the zip as you mentioned
lucaa - (00:10): I was going to search that code too, but I drifted a bit
vmassol - (00:10): 45MB for exporting a page to HTML is indeed quite a lot :)
vmassol - (00:24): nn
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lucaa - (00:30): I'm gonna report that, in any case, and we'll see tomorrow how we close it (fix or won't fix)
bblfish - (00:30): good night!
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lucaa - (00:35): good night xwikiers, going down for maintenance
sdumitriu - (00:35): Good night
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DV - (06:44): Hi everyone
CalebJamesDeLisl - (06:46): Hi
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bblfish - (08:52): good morning
vmassol - (08:53): good morning
bblfish - (08:54): vmassol: I think chromium is cheating a bit with memory useage. In fact one has to be careful and see all the threads it creates and calculate how much mem they take up. It seems to be 20MB per thread. Not sure how much is shared.
bblfish - (08:55): so all in all I don't think it uses less memory that Opera. But it's nice
vmassol - (08:57): ok
bblfish - (08:58): is myxwiki fixed?
vmassol - (08:58): no
vmassol - (08:58): I've downgraded it to 2.2
vmassol - (08:58): today we need to find out what the pb is
vmassol - (08:58): and there are still pbs even now with 2.2
bblfish - (08:59): oh dear, mhh. Sounds like a Database change
vmassol - (09:00): there are 2 pbs I know
vmassol - (09:00): - recent changes
vmassol - (09:00): - my recent modifications panel
vmassol - (09:00): probably the same problem
vmassol - (09:00): CalebJamesDeLisl sent a mail, need to read it and find when we caused a regression
vmassol - (09:00): it's not happening on my local 2.2 so it's probably related to mysql
vmassol - (09:01): (since my local install is hsqldb)
bblfish - (09:01): ok, good luck. I'll try finishing my "RDF Semantics" paper...
vmassol - (09:01): but I'm surprised we didn't got more reported problems with 2.2 so something is amiss
vmassol - (09:01): s/got/get/
CalebJamesDeLisl - (09:05): Good morning, what was the last version on myxwiki before 2.2?
vmassol - (09:05): you mean before we upgraded to 2.3 snap?
CalebJamesDeLisl - (09:05): Yes, that's what I meant.
vmassol - (09:05): hmm must have been 2.0.2 I think
vmassol - (09:05): maybe 2.1
vmassol - (09:05): I don't know
CalebJamesDeLisl - (09:06): Lot of changes in HibernateStore since 2.1
CalebJamesDeLisl - (09:14): xwiki.org is running okay on 2.2.1.27354
CalebJamesDeLisl - (09:15): Looks like maybe it's just mysql configuration.
vmassol - (09:19): hmm
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vmassol - (09:21): first I'd like to understand why tehre are so many DB that fail to upgrade, mysql says they don't exist
jvdrean - (09:21): Hi, RecentChanges is broken on 2.3 if running on mysql ?
vmassol - (09:21): nantesjug, testtestN, etc, there are about 20 or 30 that fail at startup
vmassol - (09:21): jvdrean: on 2.2 right now it's broken
vmassol - (09:22): I've put back 2.2 yesterday
vmassol - (09:22): when I couldn't restart 2.3
vmassol - (09:22): moving to my office, bb in 1 minute
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vmassol - (09:24): back
vmassol - (09:28): btw to prove my point of yesteray: http://twitter.com/2smart4u/statuses/9987813113
vmassol - (09:38): jvdrean: what should people do when they have big buttons? (as on http://wikiparis.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/wiki/). Is there a way for us to avoid this pb?
jvdrean - (09:39): they must upgrade their wiki with the latest XAR
vmassol - (09:40): yes but more specifically?
vmassol - (09:40): any page?
jvdrean - (09:40): I can't see the page but I assume it's the search panel
vmassol - (09:40): yes
jvdrean - (09:40): so the page in question is the search panel
vmassol - (09:40): so the search panel page?
vmassol - (09:40): we changed the image?
jvdrean - (09:40): we changed ids to classes iirc
vmassol - (09:41): ah it's this one
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vmassol - (09:48): another pb on myxwiki.org
vmassol - (09:48): trying to delete a page fails
vmassol - (09:49): http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/delete/XWiki/XWikiServerAsiri
vmassol - (09:51): we need to get teh SQL query that executes
vmassol - (09:53): on myxwiki.org: Server version: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 (Debian)
vmassol - (09:53): on xwiki.org: mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.51a, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64) using readline 5.2
vmassol - (09:54): so same version it appeats
vmassol - (09:54): appears
vmassol - (09:54): config might be different though
vmassol - (09:55): wait
vmassol - (09:55): I logged twice on xwiki.org
vmassol - (09:55): ;)
vmassol - (09:55): myxwiki.org I mean
vmassol - (09:56): on xwiki.org it's: mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.32, for pc-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.2
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vmassol - (09:59): their conf is slightly different: http://pastebin.com/rkfT2Fib
vmassol - (10:00): xwiki.org is not utf8
vmassol - (10:00): maxallowed packet bigger on xwiki.org
vmassol - (10:01): but otherwise not much differences
tmortagne - (10:04): [release] Finishing reading my mail and looking at hudson and will be ready to start the 2.2.2 release
tmortagne - (10:04): is there anything needed before ?
vmassol - (10:04): well if we find a pb on 2.2 on myxwiki.org
vmassol - (10:05): it would be good to have the fix
vmassol - (10:05): but we still don't know what the pb is
vmassol - (10:06): I've just tried with a recent mysql and 2.2 branch locally and I don't have the pb
vmassol - (10:08): guysn wdyt about turning on logging on myxwiki.org to see the SQL calls that execute?
jvdrean - (10:09): ssh: connect to host myxwiki.org port 22: Connection refused
vmassol - (10:10): I4m in
jvdrean - (10:11): Indeed it seems that my ISP has issues "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.google.com."
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vmassol - (10:12): do you see any other solution than looking at the executing SQL?
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vmassol - (10:13): actually we could get the SQL locally
vmassol - (10:13): and then execute it there
vmassol - (10:13): trying that
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vmassol - (10:15): this is always impressive…. hundreds of database queries just for displaying one page
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vmassol - (10:17): I think it's this one:
vmassol - (10:17): select distinct xwikidocum0_.XWD_WEB as col_0_0_, xwikidocum0_.XWD_NAME as col_1_0_, max(xwikircsno1_.XWR_DATE) as col_2_0_ from xwikidoc xwikidocum0_, xwikircs xwikircsno1_ where (xwikidocum0_.XWD_HIDDEN<>1 or xwikidocum0_.XWD_HIDDEN is null) and xwikidocum0_.XWD_ID=xwikircsno1_.XWR_DOCID and xwikircsno1_.XWR_VERSION2=1 group by xwikidocum0_.XWD_WEB , xwikidocum0_.XWD_NAME order by max(xwikircsno1_.XWR_DATE) desc limit ?
CalebJamesDeLisl - (10:18): Looks like the one.
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CalebJamesDeLisl - (10:19): I just started 2.1 and 2.2 connected to two mysql databases.
CalebJamesDeLisl - (10:19): I mean 2.1 and the 2.3 trunk
CalebJamesDeLisl - (10:20): started 2.1 and tried to import the trunk xar.
CalebJamesDeLisl - (10:20): Incorrect string value: '\xC4\xAB t\xC4\xAB...' for column 'XWD_CONTENT' at row 1
vmassol - (10:20): yep
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vmassol - (10:20): that's "normal"
CalebJamesDeLisl - (10:20): ok
vmassol - (10:20): sdumitriu: btw have you seen this: http://twitter.com/2smart4u/statuses/9987813113 ?
vmassol - (10:20): your db is not utf8
vmassol - (10:21): so 3 pages will fail to load
vmassol - (10:21): (the translations)
sdumitriu - (10:22): vmassol: seen it, replied to it
vmassol - (10:22): me too
vmassol - (10:22): found the pb
vmassol - (10:22): on myxwiki.org:
vmassol - (10:22): mysql> select distinct xwikidocum0_.XWD_WEB as col_0_0_, xwikidocum0_.XWD_NAME as col_1_0_, max(xwikircsno1_.XWR_DATE) as col_2_0_ from xwikidoc xwikidocum0_, xwikircs xwikircsno1_ where (xwikidocum0_.XWD_HIDDEN<>1 or xwikidocum0_.XWD_HIDDEN is null) and xwikidocum0_.XWD_ID=xwikircsno1_.XWR_DOCID and xwikircsno1_.XWR_VERSION2=1 group by xwikidocum0_.XWD_WEB , xwikidocum0_.XWD_NAME order by max(xwikircsno1_.XWR_DATE) desc;
vmassol - (10:22): ERROR 1030 (HY000): Got error 28 from storage engine
vmassol - (10:22): and just executed on xwiki.org and it works
vmassol - (10:22): now we need to find what is this error
vmassol - (10:22): googling....
vmassol - (10:24): jvdrean: hmm /tmp is full but it's very small too
vmassol - (10:24): is that normal?
vmassol - (10:24): apparently this error means disk full
vmassol - (10:24): http://www.spiration.co.uk/post/1337/MySQL%20-%20Re:%20ERROR%201030%20%28HY000%29:%20Got%20error%2028%20from%20storage%20engine
vmassol - (10:25): indeed:
vmassol - (10:25): tmpdir = /tmp
vmassol - (10:26): is set in my.cnf
vmassol - (10:27): pb solved
vmassol - (10:27): :)
vmassol - (10:27): and this was the pb with 2.3 too
vmassol - (10:27): pfew
vmassol - (10:27): tmortagne: you can go ahead with the release I think
vmassol - (10:27): ok so here's the story:
vmassol - (10:28): when I couldn't start tomcat yesterday with the jars provided by henry, I moved them to /tmp tmeporarily
vmassol - (10:28): I also used tmp to copy some log files so that I could look at them
vmassol - (10:28): this filled /tmp
vmassol - (10:28): and caused all the pbs I had to restart tomcat on 2.3
vmassol - (10:28): and somehwoe it restarted better on 2.2
vmassol - (10:29): but not fully since we had this query on error
vmassol - (10:29): we have 16K of /tmp on myxwiki.org.....
vmassol - (10:29): 16MB
CalebJamesDeLisl - (10:30): Just started 2.3 trunk on mysql and imported default pages.
CalebJamesDeLisl - (10:30): no panels, looks like albatross skin...
xipe - (10:30): that's normal, /tmp is a tmpfs (it's in ram not on disk) to speed up performances
vmassol - (10:30): so now I'm going to stop myxwiki.org agaion
vmassol - (10:30): and move back to 2.3 snap
CalebJamesDeLisl - (10:30): I'll keep looking for (my) mistakes.
xipe - (10:30): but if you need to move big files, you should use /var/tmp/
vmassol - (10:30): xipe: ok thanks, my bad then
vmassol - (10:31): (didn't know)
vmassol - (10:31): first let me clean up dead descriptors
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tmortagne - (10:35): vmassol: ok, checking hudson
CalebJamesDeLisl - (10:37): Hmm, log full of NonUniqueObjectException after import, XWiki.Admin doesn't exist. I'll download 2.2 and test next.
tmortagne - (10:37): there is still failing test on hudson but looks like flickering tests
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CalebJamesDeLisl - (10:45): let's support postgres, I have never seen any one of those "normal" errors until today.
sdumitriu - (10:48): I really don't like mysql
sdumitriu - (10:48): So +1 for pg
vmassol - (10:52): tmortagne: I see this "wikimanager.doc.createwiki.desc.language" on wiki descriptors, is it normal?
tmortagne - (10:52): vmassol: looks like missing translation
vmassol - (10:53): removing l10n descriptor
vmassol - (10:53): since it's not used
vmassol - (10:53): ok all cleaned
vmassol - (10:53): now all descriptors have valid underlying DBs
vmassol - (10:58): stopping myxwiki to restart with 2.3
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CalebJamesDeLisl - (10:59): Ok, tested mysql/xe2.2 and everything seems to work.
vmassol - (11:02): tmortagne: do you know why some panels fail on http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/
vmassol - (11:02): Wrapped Exception: Unknown database 'patternlanguagenetwork'
vmassol - (11:03): but it's there
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vmassol - (11:03): hmm http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/WikiManager/ is failing now
vmassol - (11:03): works now
vmassol - (11:03): strange
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:04): Re-testing trunk, same results. Can't view import page on first view
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:04): Exception while saving document xwiki:XWiki.XWikiPreferences
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:04): Wrapped Exception: Failed to commit or rollback transaction. Root cause []
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:04): reload page and it works.
vmassol - (11:05): ok myxwiki.org is back on a 2.3 snap
sdumitriu - (11:05): vmassol: isn't patternln moved to a pro farm?
vmassol - (11:05): the db is still there
vmassol - (11:06): ah no you're right
vmassol - (11:06): hmm double checking
tmortagne - (11:07): vmassol: "Unknown database 'patternlanguagenetwork'" is a mysql error AFAIK so it mean there is something at mysql level
vmassol - (11:07): ok can I remove http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/XWikiServerPatternlanguagenetwork ?
vmassol - (11:07): (since the db isn't there anymore)
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vmassol - (11:09): done
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:10): Hmm, just remembered I didn't build 2.3 snapshot with -Pmysql (didn't build with -Ppgsql either and pg didn't care)
vmassol - (11:11): jvdrean: we still need to fix http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/AllDocs
vmassol - (11:14): guys would be great to continue using http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/UpgradesLog
vmassol - (11:15): jvdrean: btw the watchlist is still not working so we don't see when changes are made
jvdrean - (11:16): yes
vmassol - (11:16): CalebJamesDeLisl: to answer your question about the previous version, normally it's here: http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/UpgradesLog
vmassol - (11:17): but since it doesn't look it's been updated lately it's of no use…
vmassol - (11:17): (just added the last entry)
tmortagne - (11:17): vmassol: http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/UpgradesLog is used, i guess jvdrean just forgot for the last upgrade
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:17): Ahh, so far my tests show 2.2 works 2.3 fails, now testing with 2.3 -Pmysql
vmassol - (11:17): tmortagne: ok
vmassol - (11:18): I thgouth I had seen anca restart myxwiki.org several times after 19th of feb
vmassol - (11:18): but maybe I was wrong....
vmassol - (11:18): lucaa: ?
lucaa - (11:18): yes I did restart it
vmassol - (11:18): no jar change?
jvdrean - (11:19): tmortagne: indeed it's just that I haven't logged the last update
lucaa - (11:19): yes, .jar change, I forgot to log :(
lucaa - (11:21): but now they're all down, the 2.3 snap upgrade has invalidated them so they've been removed
vmassol - (11:21): ok
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:22): 2.3-snapshot is not working with mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.77, for redhat-linux-gnu (i386) using readline 5.1
vmassol - (11:22): CalebJamesDeLisl: not nice, you know what's wrong?
CalebJamesDeLisl - (11:22): no.
vmassol - (11:22): jvdrean: re alldocs should we try importing the pages?
tmortagne - (11:23): [release] Starting to close 2.2.2 versions on jira
vmassol - (11:23): jvdrean: I'll try to reimport a few pages from the 3/3/2010 XAR
vmassol - (11:28): jvdrean: it worked
jvdrean - (11:28): vmassol: cool
vmassol - (11:28): I imported only a few pages:
vmassol - (11:28): • http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/AllDocs
vmassol - (11:28): • http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/Tableview
vmassol - (11:28): • http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/AllAttachmentsResults
vmassol - (11:28): • http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/LiveTableResults
vmassol - (11:28): • http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/Treeview
vmassol - (11:28): • http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/LiveTableResultsMacros
vmassol - (11:28): • http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/AllAttachments
vmassol - (11:28): • http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/DeletedDocuments
vmassol - (11:28): • http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/DeletedAttachments
vmassol - (11:31): jvdrean: I'll do step 14 of the upgrade doc now, importing all pages
jvdrean - (11:33): I did the minimum because I did not want to announce the upgrade + tell people to install a snapshot
vmassol - (11:33): I don't think we have a choice do we?
jvdrean - (11:34): seems like we don't
jvdrean - (11:34): if some 2.2 pages are broken with a 2.3 war
vmassol - (11:34): so you stopped at step 12?
vmassol - (11:35): do we need step 13?
vmassol - (11:35): what is the step to change the banner message in the admin?
vmassol - (11:35): (step 17)
jvdrean - (11:36): I stopped at 12) yes
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vmassol - (11:38): btw I don't like the import UI
vmassol - (11:38): it's not convenient
vmassol - (11:38): it should be a livetable instead
vmassol - (11:38): so that you can easily find pages
vmassol - (11:38): and check/uncheck them
vmassol - (11:39): a livetable like with folding support
tmortagne - (11:40): vmassol: it's better than before ;)
vmassol - (11:40): yes
vmassol - (11:40): well
vmassol - (11:40): not true
vmassol - (11:40): it's worse for selecting pages you want to exclude
jvdrean - (11:40): I disagree
jvdrean - (11:40): (after upgrading 10 xwiki.org wikis)
tmortagne - (11:40): well you just have to click on the folder
vmassol - (11:41): you have to manually open each tab individually
tmortagne - (11:41): given all the pros i think it's ok
vmassol - (11:41): so that you have files listed
jvdrean - (11:41): space ordering + alpha ordering is a huge improvement
sdumitriu - (11:41): vmassol: How can it be worse than before?
sdumitriu - (11:41): It used to be an unordered list of names
vmassol - (11:41): I didn't say it's worse
sdumitriu - (11:41): (11:40:21 AM) vmassol: it's worse for selecting pages you want to exclude
vmassol - (11:41): I said it's worse for selecting pages you want to exclude
vmassol - (11:41): overall it's much better
tmortagne - (11:42): it's worstif you use the search to find the exact page to unselect
vmassol - (11:42): yes
tmortagne - (11:42): but it's way better when you review the pages
tmortagne - (11:42): one by one
vmassol - (11:42): well you never do that
vmassol - (11:42): :)
vmassol - (11:42): you just know which ones to excvlude
jvdrean - (11:43): we could add an 'expand all' button
tmortagne - (11:43): we never do that with a standard XE
tmortagne - (11:43): but this UI is about import in general not only XE
vmassol - (11:43): jvdrean: I think a better improvement would be to add live search
jvdrean - (11:44): meta+F is my live search
vmassol - (11:44): if you think it's good like this I'm going to let you do the upgrade :)
vmassol - (11:44): because it's really painful
jvdrean - (11:45): I haven't said upgrades are not painful, I do know what it's like to do one ^^
vmassol - (11:45): hmm why do we exclude the blog space?
vmassol - (11:45): (the whole space)
vmassol - (11:45): there might have beenc hanges
vmassol - (11:45): oh
vmassol - (11:45): my bad
vmassol - (11:46): we don't use teh blog
vmassol - (11:46): :)
vmassol - (11:46): (on the main wiki)
vmassol - (11:46): on the positivie side: excluding a space is working well
vmassol - (11:47): wild idea: allow to import a preconfigured list of files to exclude… or have the notion of sets
vmassol - (11:49): jvdrean/tmortagne: I'm going to add to the history (I think it's the safest to useà, ok?
tmortagne - (11:49): +1
jvdrean - (11:50): +1
tmortagne - (11:50): it's a good use case to test this feature anyway and since it's supposed to be the default and safest we should validate it as much as we can
vmassol - (11:51): we're missing versoin 1.1
vmassol - (11:51): for ex: http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/AllDocs?viewer=history&showminor=true
tmortagne - (11:52): you mean for old docs ?
vmassol - (11:52): seems to be everywhere: http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/?viewer=history&showminor=true
tmortagne - (11:52): or the one you just imported ?$
vmassol - (11:52): I imported over
vmassol - (11:52): so docs were already there
tmortagne - (11:52): the lost version bug is a 2.2 bug
sdumitriu - (11:52): There was a bug
vmassol - (11:53): yes but I thought it was only a display issue
sdumitriu - (11:53): Nope
vmassol - (11:53): is the history really not there anymore?
tmortagne - (11:53): no it's not that's why it was blocker
sdumitriu - (11:53): Import does not affect display
sdumitriu - (11:53): It's supposed to be fixed now
tmortagne - (11:53): yes
vmassol - (11:53): ok
vmassol - (11:56): for template/playground, we should overwite the history IMO and not add
sdumitriu - (11:57): +1
jvdrean - (11:57): +1
tmortagne - (11:57): yes (that's what i have done last time)
vmassol - (11:57): adding to the doc
vmassol - (11:58): Reset to 1.1? or import history from package?
vmassol - (11:58): I'd say reset to 1.1
sdumitriu - (11:58): reset
tmortagne - (11:58): it's supposed to be the same anyway with proper XE pages
tmortagne - (11:58): but reset makes more sense here
vmassol - (12:00): we should really do something about those ugly question marks thomas
vmassol - (12:01): for now I'm adding home pages manually to the template
tmortagne - (12:02): what question marks ?
vmassol - (12:02): XApp* spaces and co
tmortagne - (12:02): on main wiki ?
vmassol - (12:02): (there are no homes)
vmassol - (12:02): no on subwikis
tmortagne - (12:03): the real issue is not that they don't have home page
tmortagne - (12:03): these pages should not be generated on su wikis
tmortagne - (12:03): at least subwiki that don't use application manager
vmassol - (12:03): they are AFAIR because the classesa re created
vmassol - (12:03): maybe that's a bug
tmortagne - (12:04): IMO these pages you have currently are just old pages
vmassol - (12:04): or maybe our template wiki is wrong
tmortagne - (12:04): i fixed that a long time ago
vmassol - (12:04): so can I remove them from the template wiki?
tmortagne - (12:04): you can remove them for sure it's useless in the template
vmassol - (12:06): I'd like to wipe the playground, do we have a script for that? Should I do it from the db?
vmassol - (12:06): playground.myxwiki.org
vmassol - (12:06): I guess I can delete the wiki from the ui and recreate it
vmassol - (12:07): wdyt?
tmortagne - (12:07): we don't have anything to wipe a wiki AFAIK but you can recreate it yes
vmassol - (12:08): ok trying that
vmassol - (12:08): I'll check if the deqscriptor is removed
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vmassol - (12:10): tmortagne: ddidn't work
vmassol - (12:10): http://playground.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/
vmassol - (12:10): is there a bug for creating subwikis with xem plugins?
tmortagne - (12:11): no it work well, i created one recently on 2.2.1
vmassol - (12:11): (the delete worked and the desc was removed)
vmassol - (12:11): but the creation failed
vmassol - (12:11): how can you say it works well? :)
vmassol - (12:12): check template.myxwiki.org and playground.myxwiki.org
vmassol - (12:12): I cannot even go to the admin page
tmortagne - (12:12): i i meant was there is no known bug
vmassol - (12:12): so it could be a bug in 2.3
tmortagne - (12:13): XWiki#copyWiki as been "fixed" recently maybe there is a bug in it
vmassol - (12:13): this is a snapshot from 3/3
tmortagne - (12:13): that's the only difference i can see between 2.3 and 2.2.1
vmassol - (12:14): I'm going to dekete the playground wiki for now
vmassol - (12:14): *delete
vmassol - (12:14): till we fix the wiki creation
tmortagne - (12:15): wiki is properly created that's the copy that did not worked for you it seems
tmortagne - (12:15): you could create an empty wiki
tmortagne - (12:15): and import
vmassol - (12:15): ok trying this
tmortagne - (12:15): that's why i think it's related to XWiki#copyWiki
tmortagne - (12:16): problem is the copy wiki fix has been committed in 2.2.2 too i think
tmortagne - (12:16): checking
vmassol - (12:17): ok done
vmassol - (12:18): hmm yes maybe we need to look at this before finishing the 2.2.2 release
tmortagne - (12:19): vmassol: do you have anything in the log ?
sdumitriu - (12:19): Well, it should not cause problems
sdumitriu - (12:19): The fix was simple
tmortagne - (12:19): yes i don't see what would be wrong by looking at the code but the work here for some reason
tmortagne - (12:20): but the work=but the copy did not work
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vmassol - (12:23): I don't see anything tmortagne
tmortagne - (12:26): vmassol: seems there is an issue with XWikiPreference page, i just created a test wiki and i get en error on http://test.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/admin/XWiki/XWikiPreferences
vmassol - (12:26): yes that's what I was telling you above
tmortagne - (12:27): the behavior of the home page is because it can't access the XWikiPreference page it seems
vmassol - (12:27): yes
tmortagne - (12:27): but i don't know what could cause this
vmassol - (12:30): jvdrean: can I let you do the tweet + mail?
tmortagne - (12:30): looks like a pretty low level bug in the copy somewhere, i hope 2.2.2 doe snot have the issue, i'm testing
sdumitriu - (12:31): I saw some changes in the doc clone code
sdumitriu - (12:31): Related to references
sdumitriu - (12:31): It could be from there
vmassol - (12:32): jvdrean: I can do the mail but I don't have the tweeter account access
jvdrean - (12:33): haven't I put the identifiers in the process page ?
vmassol - (12:33): ah you did
vmassol - (12:33): :)
CalebJamesDeLisl - (12:33): Well my mysql problem was a shell script that was copying in an old version of hibernate.cfg.xml, I think it's bed time.
jvdrean - (12:33): (very strong password :) )
vmassol - (12:39): ok all done
vmassol - (12:40): all: fyi I've attached the XAR to the annoucnement page
vmassol - (12:40): http://myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/Announcement
vmassol - (12:40): so next time we release a final version we should remove it
vmassol - (12:40): (I've attached it since it's a snapshot and will be removed by nexus in a few days)
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tmortagne - (12:45): looks like there is a bug with import reset feature
tmortagne - (12:46): on trunk
tmortagne - (12:46): when i use it on trunk i get lots of pages not imported even if the UI says everything was ok
tmortagne - (12:47): "import reset feature"="Reset history to version 1.1"
vmassol - (12:47): hmmm
vmassol - (12:47): indeed: http://template.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/AllDocs?viewer=history&showminor=true
vmassol - (12:47): but it works
vmassol - (12:47): ah no
vmassol - (12:48): the date is the one from the xar I guess
vmassol - (12:48): and not the date of the import
vmassol - (12:48): still it doesn't contain the merssage
vmassol - (12:48): "imported from xar"
vmassol - (12:48): but since the alldocs page works and wasn't working before I guess it was imported
tmortagne - (12:49): it's not the same thing, in my case the old document is removed
tmortagne - (12:49): and nothing replace it
vmassol - (12:49): ah
vmassol - (12:49): tmortagne: see http://template.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/
vmassol - (12:49): I had removed all the XApp docs
vmassol - (12:49): they've just been recreated
vmassol - (12:49): so it's not fixed
tmortagne - (12:51): hmm that one is just for template wikis, wiki manager try to find application configuration in the template wiki before copy it and the class manager automatically init the class before searching for object, i'm creating an issue
vmassol - (12:54): lunch, bbl
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tmortagne - (12:55): we should have a tool that listen to document events and automatically generate a home page for new spaces
tmortagne - (13:05): vmassol: more or less good news: i can't reproduce the copy preference issue we have on myxwiki.org with a fresh trunk
tmortagne - (13:09): silviar: can i edit http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/API ? you have a lock on it
silviar - (13:12): yes
silviar - (13:12): sure
silviar - (13:12): i've closed it
tmortagne - (13:14): ok thanks
bblfish - (13:26): ah cool
bblfish - (13:28): let me know when you have all recovered from that process
vmassol - (13:39): tmortagne: ok but can you reproduce it with the WAR from 3/3/2010?
tmortagne - (13:39): i only tried on trunk
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bblfish - (14:45): everyone left for the weekend?
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mflorea - (16:34): tmortagne: do you know anything about the "delete" event not being fired by the notification component?
tmortagne - (16:34): mflorea: no, it's should work well AFAIK
mflorea - (16:35): XWikiStatsService does this:
mflorea - (16:35): Utils.getComponent(ObservationManager.class).addListener(this);
mflorea - (16:35): but I don't get any delete event in onEvent, only save and view
mflorea - (16:36): and in XWiki#deleteDocument there is this line:
mflorea - (16:36): om.notify(new DocumentDeleteEvent(doc.getWikiName() + ":" + doc.getFullName()), blankDoc, context);
mflorea - (16:37): I'll debug further
tmortagne - (16:40): mflorea: as far as i can see it does not listen to delete event...
tmortagne - (16:40): private static final List<Event> EVENTS = new ArrayList<Event>()
tmortagne - (16:40): {
tmortagne - (16:40): {
tmortagne - (16:40): add(new ActionExecutionEvent(ViewAction.VIEW_ACTION));
tmortagne - (16:40): add(new ActionExecutionEvent(SaveAction.ACTION_NAME));
tmortagne - (16:40): add(new ActionExecutionEvent(DownloadAction.ACTION_NAME));
tmortagne - (16:40): }
tmortagne - (16:40): };
tmortagne - (16:40): it only listen to view, save and download
mflorea - (16:41): oh, this field is used by the observation manager?
tmortagne - (16:41): yes
mflorea - (16:41): ok, I understand now
tmortagne - (16:41): well not the field
tmortagne - (16:41): getEvents()
mflorea - (16:41): ok
tmortagne - (16:41): see EventListener interface
tmortagne - (16:43): also note that stats only listen to action events and not real document events
mflorea - (16:43): my bad, I searched for references of this method but I don't have the om module imported in eclipse and I haven't noticed the @see
mflorea - (16:43): what's the difference?
tmortagne - (16:44): save action event is when someone ask for the URL /xwiki/bin/save....
tmortagne - (16:44): not when a document is saved
tmortagne - (16:45): in short statistics module does not store what happen in XWiki but users actions
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mflorea - (16:48): hmm, I'm not sure what's best.. /bin/save can lead to 0 or no saves at document level.
mflorea - (16:49): 0 or multiple, I mean
tmortagne - (16:51): it depends what we want to log in the stats, currently it seems user action has been listen on purpose instead of storage events
tmortagne - (16:51): amkes sense to me
tmortagne - (16:51): makes
tmortagne - (16:52): we want to know that a user asked to remove the user page XWiki.SomeUser and not that it also modifed XWiki.XWikiAllGroup to remove the user from it
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tmortagne - (16:53): but it depends of the POV
mflorea - (16:53): I see. but some admins might wonder why XWikiAllGroups doesn't appear in the stats
tmortagne - (16:53): sure
mflorea - (16:54): it should be configurable I think
mflorea - (16:54): although no one complained so far
mflorea - (16:54): so I guess the current behavior is fine
tmortagne - (16:56): no sure it's that heavily used ;)
mflorea - (16:56): that's true also
mflorea - (16:58): the problem is that statistics can mislead you if you don't know how they were recorded.
mflorea - (17:05): for instance, if you go to /bin/view/UnexistingPage the stats module records a view for this page although this page doesn't exist
mflorea - (17:06): and you can have it as "the most viewed page" :)
tmortagne - (17:06): not sure at which point the event is generated
tmortagne - (17:06): you tested it ?
mflorea - (17:06): yes, the view counter is incremented each time I visit the page
tmortagne - (17:07): we could generate action event only if the action did not produced an error maybe
mflorea - (17:07): I can modify the stats to check if the page exists
tmortagne - (17:07): now maybe you want to know that
mflorea - (17:07): isNew = false
tmortagne - (17:07): that there is an issue somewhere like a dead link that make a lot of people goes to a wrong page
tmortagne - (17:08): after the user did asked to view the page
mflorea - (17:09): I see
tmortagne - (17:09): if the stats module is supposed to be some kind google analytics that makes sense
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vmassol - (17:13): tmortagne: cool just finished the impl for the relative resolver, took 3 lines of code ;)
tmortagne - (17:13): :
tmortagne - (17:13): :)
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bblfish - (17:21): hi all, so what's the executive summary of the days work :-)
vmassol - (17:22): bblfish: so far, so good
bblfish - (17:22): that's the religious summary
vmassol - (17:23): (but I haven't tried to install your stuff yet, was too happy to get myxwiki.org back on track… :))
bblfish - (17:23): cool
vmassol - (17:23): now I need to muster the courage to try again
vmassol - (17:23): bblfish: the pb was that the disk space was full in /tmp
vmassol - (17:23): (fyi)
bblfish - (17:23): ouch!
vmassol - (17:24): becuase when it didn't start the first time I moved your jars to /tmp
vmassol - (17:24): and /tmp is quite small on this machine
vmassol - (17:25): and /tmp is used by mysql
bblfish - (17:25): ouch
vmassol - (17:25): :)
bblfish - (17:25): and those are quite small jars too I think!
vmassol - (17:25): yes but there were other stuff already in there
bblfish - (17:26): I think there's a monty python sketch on something like that
vmassol - (17:26): the previous version of the bcprov jar that I had already moved the first time and others
vmassol - (17:26): :)
bblfish - (17:26): You know the one with King Arthur and the holy grail
vmassol - (17:26): yes I recall it but I don't recall something similar
bblfish - (17:26): and the killer rabbit
vmassol - (17:27): I remember the "let's call it a draw!"
vmassol - (17:27): or "bring up your deads"
vmassol - (17:27): yes the killer rabbit I remember
bblfish - (17:27): I think the guy from the countryside goes into a workshop, and harmlessly points out that something could be better by doing something different, and everything collapses
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bblfish - (17:27): :)
vmassol - (17:27): indeed
bblfish - (17:31): well let me know when you feel comfortable doing WebId piece. :-) I am just writing up a piece on logic here...
vmassol - (17:36): ahah cool he's going to update the page ;)
bblfish - (17:37): ?
bblfish - (17:37): oh I silenced him
vmassol - (17:37): bblfish: we can follow what's happening on xwiki.org
vmassol - (17:38): I responded to 2smart4u on the list that he could edit a page to add his info
vmassol - (17:38): now I see he's preparing for it
bblfish - (17:38): ah cool
bblfish - (17:38): let me uningore wikibot...
vmassol - (17:39): you can ask him stuff
vmassol - (17:39): like what are the last pages modified on xwiki.org
vmassol - (17:39): !news
vmassol - (17:52): :)
vmassol - (17:54): thx sergiu for the clarification ;)
vmassol - (17:54): I'll put that in a troubleshooting section
vmassol - (17:54): when you have finished with the lock
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sdumitriu - (17:55): Done
sdumitriu - (17:55): Troubleshooting is already there
vmassol - (18:01): tmortagne: found something strange while editing this install page, let me tinypaste it
vmassol - (18:02): here: http://tinypaste.com/29f5f
vmassol - (18:02): this is the source
vmassol - (18:02): notice the first list item
vmassol - (18:02): which has a group ((( …))) and the warning macro inside
vmassol - (18:03): when I preview it it gives: http://tinycoke.com/_6rC3XaxKhN0Qk/screen_shot_2010-03-05_at_6.03.08_pm.png
vmassol - (18:03): if I remove the group it works fine
vmassol - (18:03): (but is inline of course)
vmassol - (18:04): oh sorry
vmassol - (18:04): my bad
vmassol - (18:04): the syntax was reset to 1.0
vmassol - (18:04): after the preview
vmassol - (18:04): I always get hit by this
vmassol - (18:04): :(
vmassol - (18:05): sorry for the noise....
tmortagne - (18:09): vmassol: ok, indeed if the preview reset the syntax it looks like a bug to fix
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bblfish - (19:16): ok, so I finished my "RDF semantics" document and went on to prove that "3"^^xsd:int = "3"^xsd:int is both consistent and a good idea.
bblfish - (19:16): http://is.gd/9LqTv
vmassol - (19:17): good bedside reading ;)
bblfish - (19:21): heh, the thread has had responses from Pat Hayes who wrote the document, and some leading semantic web lights such as Dan Connolly and Jeremy Caroll
bblfish - (19:21): I had to read the document in great detail to proove this, and found a few typos while doing that :-)
sdumitriu - (19:25): vmassol: Can you explain what you mean by this:
sdumitriu - (19:25): * modify the XWikiDocument's javadoc to deprecate setDocumentReference and all setXXX that change the reference since XWikiDocument should be immutable re its reference (the storage impl today doesn't support a XWikiDocument that has its reference that is modified).
vmassol - (19:27): actually it's thomas who explained this to me
vmassol - (19:27): does it work?
vmassol - (19:27): (if you change a doc's reference)
vmassol - (19:27): what happens to the doc cache?
sdumitriu - (19:28): Borked
vmassol - (19:28): so that's why
sdumitriu - (19:28): But I mean explain differently
sdumitriu - (19:28): Not why, but what
vmassol - (19:28): the idea is that XWikiDocumet takes the ref in its consturctor
vmassol - (19:29): and that once a XWikiDoc has been created it hsould change its ref
vmassol - (19:29): shouldn't
vmassol - (19:29): (not should)
vmassol - (19:29): if you need a new ref then you need to construct a new doc or copy the current doc, or rename it, etc
sdumitriu - (19:29): OK, I see
vmassol - (19:30): this is not really related to my change
vmassol - (19:30): it's just the realization that changing the ref isn't probably working right now
bblfish - (19:31): vmassol, would you rather put the WebId stuff another time?
vmassol - (19:32): I'd like to do it
bblfish - (19:32): ok
vmassol - (19:32): my wife has gone out tonight so I need to prepare the meal for the kids though...
vmassol - (19:32): so maybe after
bblfish - (19:32): ok
vmassol - (19:32): continue pinging me and we'll get it done!
bblfish - (19:33): I might go out myself a bit, to relax from writing that stuff
vmassol - (19:33): hehe
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vmassol - (22:32): new H2 release avail: http://h2database.com/html/main.html
vmassol - (22:34): we should try it
vmassol - (22:34): perfs look good: http://h2database.com/html/performance.html
CalebJamesDeLisl - (22:37): Wasn't there talk about switching the default to H2?
sdumitriu - (22:37): Yep
vmassol - (22:37): we mentioned it but the talk was about switching to derby
sdumitriu - (22:37): Care to try it?
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vmassol - (22:38): the idea was to have a standalone version that had a DB that could be used in production
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CalebJamesDeLisl - (22:40): I don't know much about the default system, guessing hsql writes to /work ?
CalebJamesDeLisl - (22:46): re care to try it: Right now I want to look more into fully support postgres, and then think about possibly doing functional testing on different databases. I have a lot to read as it is.
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vmassol - (22:46): CalebJamesDeLisl: yes what would be awesome would to get posgres to work in mutlwiki mode
vmassol - (22:47): that would open the door to automated functional tests for XEM
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